Comments on: The art of forgiving http://www.e-ostadelahi.com/eoe-en/the-art-of-forgiving/ Ethics and the process of perfection Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:23:56 +0100 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: karma http://www.e-ostadelahi.com/eoe-en/the-art-of-forgiving/comment-page-1/#comment-488 karma Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:41:15 +0000 http://www.e-ostadelahi.com/eoe-en/?p=44#comment-488 Great article. As I want to put forgiveness into practice, and when being completely honest with myself, I find that I don't truly forgive, I mean from the bottom of my heart, because when it happens that the same person does the same harm against me again, specially when i see they are not regretful, all the previous grudge comes out of the subconscious and adds up to the present one! So, it is there, it has been there, but I have tried consciously to put a lid on the issue and it has moved to subconsioius. Well, now, considering that I can not really forgive in terms that I change my inner feeling too, trying to practice Jesus forgiveness helps a lot, but for my ego part, I add sth to it: Forgive me God, as I know not too. (I do not know why this hurt has come to me too, either it's what I deserve or it's my karma or it's referring to one my weak points that I have to learn and has a lesson in it, which in this case I have to be thankful too) Great article.
As I want to put forgiveness into practice, and when being completely honest with myself, I find that I don’t truly forgive, I mean from the bottom of my heart, because when it happens that the same person does the same harm against me again, specially when i see they are not regretful, all the previous grudge comes out of the subconscious and adds up to the present one! So, it is there, it has been there, but I have tried consciously to put a lid on the issue and it has moved to subconsioius. Well, now, considering that I can not really forgive in terms that I change my inner feeling too, trying to practice Jesus forgiveness helps a lot, but for my ego part, I add sth to it: Forgive me God, as I know not too. (I do not know why this hurt has come to me too, either it’s what I deserve or it’s my karma or it’s referring to one my weak points that I have to learn and has a lesson in it, which in this case I have to be thankful too)

]]> By: ls http://www.e-ostadelahi.com/eoe-en/the-art-of-forgiving/comment-page-1/#comment-407 ls Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:52:19 +0000 http://www.e-ostadelahi.com/eoe-en/?p=44#comment-407 I thought I was truly forgiving. Then, I read this article and realized how blind I have been. I thought I was truly forgiving. Then, I read this article and realized how blind I have been.

]]> By: neuro http://www.e-ostadelahi.com/eoe-en/the-art-of-forgiving/comment-page-1/#comment-296 neuro Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:53:42 +0000 http://www.e-ostadelahi.com/eoe-en/?p=44#comment-296 This is a great article. But I wonder if forgiving someone can sometimes be detrimental to the offender and the offendee. That is, what if that person does not learn their lesson that what they did was wrong, since I have forgiven them? I have trouble finding the balance between being forgiving and being naive... This is a great article. But I wonder if forgiving someone can sometimes be detrimental to the offender and the offendee. That is, what if that person does not learn their lesson that what they did was wrong, since I have forgiven them? I have trouble finding the balance between being forgiving and being naive…

]]> By: James http://www.e-ostadelahi.com/eoe-en/the-art-of-forgiving/comment-page-1/#comment-278 James Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:19:20 +0000 http://www.e-ostadelahi.com/eoe-en/?p=44#comment-278 Giving this topic some thought, I now realize it is my ego that gets in the way of forgiving each and every time. Giving this topic some thought, I now realize it is my ego that gets in the way of forgiving each and every time.

]]> By: Zulu http://www.e-ostadelahi.com/eoe-en/the-art-of-forgiving/comment-page-1/#comment-108 Zulu Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:56:00 +0000 http://www.e-ostadelahi.com/eoe-en/?p=44#comment-108 I can see how forgiveness is a divine virtue. To me “forgiveness” is not akin to an undergraduate spiritual course! It is more like an advanced/graduate course that I have found to be extremely hard to practice. To me what Jesus said: “Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do”, is so absolutely selfless and egoless. At first glance, I felt that for someone like me, with some degree of selfishness and ego, taking such an approach could inadvertently feed my selfishness. It felt as if I am above the rest and looking down. But the way the author of this article explains the practical implementation of this guidance, makes it more clear to me. There are some valuable insights from Ostad Elahi’s teachings that helped me in practicing forgiveness. For instance, this idea to strive for developing the same divine characteristics in ourselves that we expect from God: if I expect God to be merciful to me, I should demonstrate compassion and kindness to others; if I expect God to be forgiving to me, I should be able to forgive others. Simple but most intriguing. The other effective approach which was also discussed in this article is that everything that happens to us has its origin within ourselves. I try to delve within in order to find the answer to why such and such so called unfairness is happening to me. To do so, I usually try to give up my own judgments and analyze the situation from the opposite view. Or try to disengage myself from my emotions and see the situation objectively. I think the teachings of Jesus were mostly concerned with the spiritual dimension and had less to do with earthly affairs. Some of the concepts introduced by Jesus - mostly because of their pureness - were challenging to put into practice in our material lives. That’s why his successor explained the same teachings from a more material perspective and added instructions on how to apply them in material life. For instance, in the case of forgiveness, Jesus taught us to forgive everyone no matter what they have done, which is absolutely correct from the spiritual perspective. Then Mohammad introduced concepts such as the rights and duties of people, giving us some insight into how to deal with wrongdoings externally while practicing Jesus’ guidance internally. This shows how divine messengers complement each other. Contrary to current perceptions, they don’t contradict each other. Having said all that, we are living in a crazy world and we shouldn’t portray ourselves as a naïve person that everyone can take advantage of. Sometimes one needs to show some firmness in dealing with others in order to set the limits. But what is extremely important is to be graceful within (as Jesus advises), while at the same time standing up to transgression. Maintaining balance is the key point in practicing spirituality. Thanks for the article. It was very thought provoking. I can see how forgiveness is a divine virtue. To me “forgiveness” is not akin to an undergraduate spiritual course! It is more like an advanced/graduate course that I have found to be extremely hard to practice. To me what Jesus said: “Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do”, is so absolutely selfless and egoless. At first glance, I felt that for someone like me, with some degree of selfishness and ego, taking such an approach could inadvertently feed my selfishness. It felt as if I am above the rest and looking down. But the way the author of this article explains the practical implementation of this guidance, makes it more clear to me.

There are some valuable insights from Ostad Elahi’s teachings that helped me in practicing forgiveness. For instance, this idea to strive for developing the same divine characteristics in ourselves that we expect from God: if I expect God to be merciful to me, I should demonstrate compassion and kindness to others; if I expect God to be forgiving to me, I should be able to forgive others. Simple but most intriguing. The other effective approach which was also discussed in this article is that everything that happens to us has its origin within ourselves. I try to delve within in order to find the answer to why such and such so called unfairness is happening to me. To do so, I usually try to give up my own judgments and analyze the situation from the opposite view. Or try to disengage myself from my emotions and see the situation objectively.

I think the teachings of Jesus were mostly concerned with the spiritual dimension and had less to do with earthly affairs. Some of the concepts introduced by Jesus – mostly because of their pureness – were challenging to put into practice in our material lives. That’s why his successor explained the same teachings from a more material perspective and added instructions on how to apply them in material life. For instance, in the case of forgiveness, Jesus taught us to forgive everyone no matter what they have done, which is absolutely correct from the spiritual perspective. Then Mohammad introduced concepts such as the rights and duties of people, giving us some insight into how to deal with wrongdoings externally while practicing Jesus’ guidance internally. This shows how divine messengers complement each other. Contrary to current perceptions, they don’t contradict each other.

Having said all that, we are living in a crazy world and we shouldn’t portray ourselves as a naïve person that everyone can take advantage of. Sometimes one needs to show some firmness in dealing with others in order to set the limits. But what is extremely important is to be graceful within (as Jesus advises), while at the same time standing up to transgression. Maintaining balance is the key point in practicing spirituality.

Thanks for the article. It was very thought provoking.

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